tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post1628431831710926308..comments2024-03-26T20:11:01.933-04:00Comments on NOT BLOG X: X-FACTOR #69 - August 1991G. Kendallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12279461069684403792noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-43752276925052304932014-02-20T03:49:30.957-05:002014-02-20T03:49:30.957-05:00"... and the revelation that Mystique didn’t ..."... and the revelation that Mystique didn’t commit suicide a year earlier in Uncanny X-Men, which are great moments for fans who have stuck through this storyline from the beginning."<br /><br />The tease wasn't that she committed suicide, it was that Val Cooper had killed her. But you're right. this WAS a great payoff to that bit.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-89117982218153009252014-02-19T15:01:00.135-05:002014-02-19T15:01:00.135-05:00yeah, even though the internet spoiled it, in a wa...yeah, even though the internet spoiled it, in a way, I do wish his X-men Forever had been what he originally wanted to do. <br /><br />Well, so this is how the original X-factor goes out. I supposed the 4 issue Apocalypse story was the proper coda then. As a kid, I loved this issue, and while it does have it's moments, there are some scenes that are rushed through that I wish had been given more panel space, but oh well.wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-3948661742958820102014-02-19T12:21:33.063-05:002014-02-19T12:21:33.063-05:00Jeff -- "The other downside of X-Men Forever ...Jeff -- "<b>The other downside of X-Men Forever was that even if Claremont had followed through on the premise and it was fantastic, we wouldn't have gotten to see it illustrated by Jim Lee/Andy Kubert/Joe Madeiura/John Romita Jr. like we would have gotten if he hadn't left the book</b>."<br /><br />Good point, though I thought some of the work on XMF was good. I really, really like Tom Grummett, for instance, though I know not everyone thinks he's as great as I do. And the Paul Smith issues were decent as well. But mostly, yes, it was a lot of "journeyman" level work. Not awful, but not spectacular, either.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-62366065668651938862014-02-19T11:54:25.491-05:002014-02-19T11:54:25.491-05:00Colossus' disappearance in this issue is one o...Colossus' disappearance in this issue is one of those things I noticed as a kid (when I generally didn't notice things like that). <br /><br />@Matt: <i>I wish X-Men Forever had started partway through UXM #279, ignoring X-Men #1-3</i><br /><br />Ditto. And I echo your sentiments about the structure of the whole thing. All the stuff he changed that had nothing to do with his jumping off point (like having Nathan around, and older, and writing certain character in and out without explanation between <i>X-Men</i> #3 and <i>X-Men Forever</i> #1) bugged the heck out of me too. It was less "here's what Chris Claremont was going to do if he hadn't left" and more "here's a new alternate universe of random X-Men stories sort of set after a specific period of time".Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-73603904623814403242014-02-18T18:32:02.458-05:002014-02-18T18:32:02.458-05:00@Anonymous: Sorry, I meant stretching out the bui...@Anonymous: Sorry, I meant stretching out the build up to the story line. I thought he was pushing it with the 50 issues it took to resolve the Naze/Forge dangler, too. <br /><br />@Matt: The other downside of X-Men Forever was that even if Claremont had followed through on the premise and it was fantastic, we wouldn't have gotten to see it illustrated by Jim Lee/Andy Kubert/Joe Madeiura/John Romita Jr. like we would have gotten if he hadn't left the bookJeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447265712189987074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-18743439055256233022014-02-18T16:43:21.759-05:002014-02-18T16:43:21.759-05:00Not really. He wasn't planning to keep this st...Not really. He wasn't planning to keep this story-arc going for that many issues. You would have had to deal with all the Shadow King details as a sub-plot a lot longer.<br />Claremont's original plan was for a great mutant war in issue #300. It would have also brought Apocalypse into the story.<br />Plus, Claremont had a lot of other plans to bring in by #300, like the death and resurrection of Wolverine, and the details of Gambit/Sinister.<br />It would have been a number of packed and exciting months leading up to his original plans for shadows King/Hellfire Club.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-76412004554046042362014-02-18T16:39:51.772-05:002014-02-18T16:39:51.772-05:00I wish X-Men Forever had started partway through U...I wish <i>X-Men Forever</i> had started partway through UXM #279, ignoring <i>X-Men</i> #1-3. And, if that had happened, I also wish it would've actually been what it claimed to be, a legitimate continuation of Claremont's original stories, as if he had never left. It's painfully obvious reading XFM that Claremont was writing to a modern day audience with modern day plot structures in mind.<br /><br />If Marvel had given Claremont actual free reign to do whatever the heck he wanted, and if Claremont came at it pretending each issue corresponded to an UXM issue (i.e., XMF #1 would be UXM #280), with a distinct outline to get up to XMF #21/UXM #300, based on his real, original ideas from 1991, I would've been way more excited for it. Sure, we know a lot of what he had planned, but the execution would've been the interesting part.<br /><br />It could've been amazing or it could've been a train wreck, but either way, I'm pretty sure it would've been much more enjoyable than the XMF we wound up with.<br /><br />(How did I start talking about <i>X-Men Forever</i>...?)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-56470795209079236242014-02-18T00:43:53.128-05:002014-02-18T00:43:53.128-05:00I really wish we had gotten Claremont's origin...I really wish we had gotten Claremont's original plan of Shadow King/Hellfire Club/Reavers vs the X-Men. That would have been awesome. The only downside is I feel like trying to stretch it to issue 300 would have been a little trying.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447265712189987074noreply@blogger.com