tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post7677621433791569739..comments2024-03-26T20:11:01.933-04:00Comments on NOT BLOG X: X-MEN #86 – UXM #367, March 1999 – April 1999G. Kendallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12279461069684403792noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-16230869964206222442021-11-22T16:05:23.185-05:002021-11-22T16:05:23.185-05:00Magneto-Joseph, Magneto-Xorn... Marvel trash! Magn...Magneto-Joseph, Magneto-Xorn... Marvel trash! Magneto's return in the 1993 caos' creator. Fra Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14535964947337788975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-7665401383034156432014-06-15T20:36:17.462-04:002014-06-15T20:36:17.462-04:00Well, at least the X-men had some sort of valid pl...Well, at least the X-men had some sort of valid plan, in contradition to almost any other fight seen previously in the last stories I remember...<br />Which still doesn't make it any less then a time killer issue.ray swifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10850259140570017583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-76554063617262607882011-02-21T03:53:35.201-05:002011-02-21T03:53:35.201-05:00Astra visits Nightcrawler in a flashback in X-Men ...Astra visits Nightcrawler in a flashback in X-Men Forever (#4 I think?). And that's about the only other thing I've seen of her.PeterCSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-55912909006340658222009-06-15T14:07:23.598-04:002009-06-15T14:07:23.598-04:00Matt-
Even by comic book standards, she was such ...Matt-<br /><br /><i>Even by comic book standards, she was such a painful ret-con!! </i> <br /><br />I think that perfectly gets to the point of my long-winded post :) Thanks!Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-20516351716946749692009-06-15T13:42:53.914-04:002009-06-15T13:42:53.914-04:00As I recall, Astra was about the only part of Alan...As I recall, Astra was about the only part of Alan Davis's tenure that I didn't like. Even by <i>comic book standards</i>, she was such a painful ret-con!!Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-1565053061726659982009-06-15T12:40:31.188-04:002009-06-15T12:40:31.188-04:00I remember the Astra/Joseph reveal to be when I fi...I remember the Astra/Joseph reveal to be when I finally lost my self-imposed trust that any of this stuff was planned out. <br /><br />By the time Onslaught rolled out, I was old enough and savvy enough to KNOW, intellectually, that the endings to these slow burning sub-plots were being made up as they went along, but I was willing to turn a blind eye and PRETEND it was all part of somebody's plan all along. <br /><br />But when they revealed that Joseph was cloned by a character that was introduced at the same time we found out she created Joseph, all so she get revenge on Magneto for a slight against her that the writers just made up (obviously, because SHE was just made up), well...I couldn't even willingly pretend anymore (and then there was the resolution to long-simmering Twelve subplot shortly down the road to really hammer home this point for me). <br /><br />Maybe if Astra had stuck around, maybe if her retcon would have been embraced by later writers, I could have kept pretending this was how Joseph's story was always meant to go, but no. <br /><br />I still read X-Men, but I'm pretty sure this was the storyline where I finally accepted the reality of ongoing comic book plotting, and could no longer even fool myself into thinking it was all part of someone's grand vision for the characters.Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-51191049415293944512009-06-13T17:08:50.146-04:002009-06-13T17:08:50.146-04:00I agree on Joseph. The way he was dismissed from t...I agree on Joseph. The way he was dismissed from the titles a year earlier was a little disrespectful for the character and this origin and send-off didn't change that.<br /><br />I remember reading Lobdell say that Joseph was at one point going to be Proteus reincarnated, or even Rogue and Magneto's son from AoA. Most possibilities are more interesting than just a clone.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2734283773701136760.post-41026278966420535612009-06-13T10:38:02.837-04:002009-06-13T10:38:02.837-04:00I think there was some idea with Astra in mind, du...I think there was some idea with Astra in mind, due to some very cryptic comments she makes to Nightcralwer, but it was never followed up on.<br /><br />Poor Joeseph. Initially, I didn't care for him, but I grew to like him, and didn't like the way he was just casually dismissed, especially after all the set-up and Marvel working overtime to make us believe he was the real deal. Looking back, there was potential there, before he was changed into being a clone. <br /><br />Not a good start to the Davis run, but it gets better after this. And there were ramifications to this storyline, till Grant Morrison literally blew it all to Hell.wwk5dnoreply@blogger.com